Is Mecca the centre of the world?

First of all let me clarify this, it is not easy to just stating that somewhere is the centre of the earth, because the earth is sphere in shape, just like a ball. Where is the centre of a ball? It should be in the centre, inner part of the ball, I assume.

The Map

Then, looking at the map that humans draw, because it is flat, maybe we can approximately figure it out where the centre should be. There many claims for this, some say Mecca, some say Jerusalem, some say Aral Sea and even Venice in Italy.

The Muslims were the first people to draw the map of the world. They drew the map with the south facing upwards and north downwards. The Kaaba was at the centre. Later, western cartographers drew the map upside down with the north facing upwards and south downwards. Yet, Alhamdullilah the Kaaba is at the centre of the world map.

Source here

Besides that, there are also some people want to look at the map differently,

New way looking at map. Source here

“A conventional map contains distortions because the world is round and a map is flat,” explains Prof. Guelke. “Such maps can give a very inaccurate idea of the direction and distance to Mecca from other places in the world. On this new world map, the direction of Mecca and the shortest distance is easily measured as a straight line … It is amazing that Mecca is approximately the centre of the land mass of the world.”

Source here

However, some claim that Jurusalem is the centre of the world by looking at the map,

Jerusalem as the centre of the world. Source here

Since Jerusalem was located near the middle of the known world of antiquity, it naturally occupied a central position on early world maps. During the middle Ages, strong religious influences caused some mapmakers to deliberately place Jerusalem at the exact centre or “navel” of the world, in accordance with Biblical descriptions. This format was not widely adopted until the thirteenth century, following the Crusades and the consequent popular identification of Jerusalem as a primary spiritual centre. With the advent of the Renaissance, new discoveries and improved geographic concepts changed the extent and shape of the known world and rendered Jerusalem-centred maps obsolete.

Source here

The distance (?)

This is where I don’t really catch up with what the person is trying to say. Maybe someone can enlighten me on this.

There have been studies showing that Holy Kaaba is even geographical centre in Cairo has shown that Holy Kaaba is the centre of the whole world. They have also said that Makkah Mukarrama and Kaaba are a centre for a circle with a radius of 8000 kilometers encompassing all the centers of civilization in Asia, Africa and Europe. They also said that Holy Kaaba is the centre of all the cities in the radius of 13000 kilometre including North and South America, Australia and the South Pole. The study also said that Holy Kaaba was actually the centre of all the land which later on merged with each other due to the Oceans.

Source here

As it is just mentioned in a forum, there is also someone tried to rationalise the fact. He claims that this fact can still be challenge. And again, I don’t really understand it.

I have suspected their numbers too. They said 1,300 km as a radius of a circle including all major cities. If you made a radius from Makkah that would include every point on earth, it would be around 20,000 km. (Excuse my American notation. That’s one half the circumference of the earth, by the way.) that’s a big 7,000 km of space where there’s supposedly no big cities? That’s one third of the earth.

Source here

The distribution of land (?)

I can find about the scientific aspect, the argument is that Mecca is the centre of land – excluding the sea from their calculations. As the distribution of land is not even on the crust of the earth, the centre of mass will probably be tilted towards some area which they argue is Mecca.

Source here as cited from here

This is the counter to the statement:

The Pagaen. Source here

Another titbit of common sense is this: first your source says Makkah is the center of the major cities of the world. Then they say Makkah is the centre of where Pangaea used to be. (That big megacontinent.) Now if the Americas are moving away from Eurasia and Africa, that means the centre of their area is moving too, like Netcurtains said. Look at it this way: the physical formula for the centre of mass is (centre of mass)=(mass of second area)/(mass of first area + mass of second area)x(distance between the areas). In other words, as the distance changes, the centre of mass changes. (I think this is the first time that formula has every meant anything to me.) Your sources want to have Makkah be the centre in both cases, but this is physically impossible. Unless their definition of centre is some sneaky trick they’re not telling us.

Source here

The unseen aspect- The Radiation/chakra (?)..

The first video, ‘Islamic Science: Neil Armstrong Proved Mecca is the Centre of the World’, is from Al-Majd TV, Saudi Arabia, and dates from 16 January 2005. Highlights of this discussion include the claim that the Ka’ba emits short-wave radiation, that ‘this radiation is infinite’, and that this is why anyone living in Mecca or travelling there will live long, be healthier, and be ‘less affected by Earth’s gravity’. The existence of the ‘zero-magnetism zone’ halfway between the north and south poles ‘where the pull is equal from both sides’ is also considered: ‘the magnetic force has no effect there’. feature Dr ‘Abd Al-Baset Sayyid, a scientific luminary from the Egyptian National Research Centre.

Source here

However, even whether Armstrong really landed on moon is a controversial. I am not really sure about this. Maybe we need to wait for a Muslim go to the moon not just as tourist and look at the earth. Then, we would really be convinced with the findings. For now, can I say that that’s the best shot that we have?

Besides that, some also do not agree with the idea of magnetic 0 because it constantly moving:

.     Some geologist. (1) Magnetic north is constantly on the move(2) The line of longitude upon which Mecca is situated also passes through, for example, the Russian cities of Yaroslavl, Voronezh and Rostov-on-Don, so presumably those places (along with others in Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Ethiopia, Kenya …) would have equal claim to whatever divinely-ordained distinction is claimed for Mecca. (3) There are also alignments of the earth’s magnetic field where magnetic north and true north are the same, but such lines are not equivalent to lines of longitude and anyway Mecca isn’t on one.

Source here

The arising issues

 

  1. Mecca as the meridian time

Because of Mecca is centre of the world, there is a group wants to change the Greenwich meridian time that is standardised today. They want to make Mecca as the reference of the time. Refer to BBC news here and Gulf Time here. They have a concrete reason for that:

The companion piece to this is ‘Science in Islam: Mecca Time must replace GMT’ from Mihwar TV, Egypt, recorded on 26 December 2006, in which Dr ‘Abd Al-Baset Sayyid expounds the benefits of Mecca Time. In Greenwich the magnetic field is 8.5 degrees, while in Mecca ‘the magnetic field is zero’. This means that when time is measured from Greenwich there is a discrepancy of 8.5 minutes ‘between the northern and southern hemispheres’. ‘Air traffic’, warns the doc darkly, ‘cannot be organized in this way’. There’s also a lot of fascinating information about blood, circulation, magnetic force, and why circling the Ka’ba will fill you with energy (clue: it’s all about going from right to left).

Source here

It will be very interesting to note that the Egyptian scholars have found that on two particular days in a year the sun is right on top of the Holy Kaaba and that is the time when if a person views the sun he is certainly looking to the direction of Holy Kaaba. This method is so exact and simple that there is no need of any compass etc. All one has to do is to look where the sun is and that will be the direction of the Holy Kaaba. No matter where you are in the World all you have to do is to be exact in your time to minute level according to the GMT. Hence wherever one can see sun at that time one can find the exact direction of Holy Kaaba. For Non Muslims it may not be of any benefit but for a Muslim it is as a Muslim has to offer prayer five times a day and no one can be sure about the direction of the Holy Kaaba when a person is thousands of miles away from Makkah Mukarrama. The dates and the exact timing are :

1.. 28th May every year at 9:18 GMT.

2.. 15th July every year at 9:27 GMT.

These are the two timing s when the sun makes an angle of 180 degrees with Holy Kaaba and where ever one will see the sun he/she can make a line straight to the sun’s direction and that will be the kiblah. For those countries where the sun cannot be seen as there may be night time in some countries the other method to follow is on these dates but to look in the exact opposite direction of the sun which will be the direction of the Holy Kaaba. These dates are

1. 28th November 21:9 GMT (every year)

2. 13th January 21:9 GMT (every year)

The research has been made by Dr.Ahmad Ismail Khalifa, professor of the engineering Deptt. Al Azhar University. He said that the Muslim scholars have observed that sun while running its course from East to West crosses over the Makkah Mukarrama region many times in a year.

Source here

This is the counter to the issue:

And yes, the sun comes directly over the Kaaba twice a year. In fact, every point on the earth which is between the tropic of Cancer and tropic of Capricorn, like Makkah, comes perpendicular to the sun on two days, always six months apart from each other.

Source here

However, I don’t think the Greenwich meridian that we have today does not have the feature.

2.  The anti-clock wise clock

The conference was organised to introduce Saat Makkah (the watch of Mecca). The inventor of the clock, Yasin a-Shouk, said it runs anti-clockwise in the direction of Tawaf, the rotation around Kaaba. The Switzerland-based award-winning inventor of Palestinian origin said that his invention met a lot of opposition and it took him four years to win the patent.

Source here

Anti-clockwise

The watch is said to rotate anti-clockwise and is supposed to help Muslims determine the direction of Mecca from any point on Earth.

Source here

If we observe an atom, electron orbits the nucleus anticlockwise. The moon orbits the earth anticlockwise, the earth and other planet around the sun orbits it anticlockwise, the stars around galaxies orbits its anticlockwise. The rocks on the rings of Saturn orbits it anticlockwise, this is exactly what Muslims do around the Kaaba, they go around it anticlockwise!

Source here

I know that there are a lot of sweeping statements (unsupported data) that is made in this post. Besides, the source of the information is also questionable. However, that is the best I can give. I hope everyone is satisfy with the information given. Maybe there are some other information that you would like to share. Please do so in the comment column.

One thing for sure, Kaabah is the Muslims’ spiritual centre of the earth. That is the symbol for unity and justice for Muslim. With that, I raise my case.

p/s: If you are want to know more, maybe you can read some part of this book “World-maps for Finding the Direction and Distance to Mecca” By David A. King, here. Or maybe buy the book which is from £199.75. huhuhuhu

updated:

The golden mean of the Earth

This is just to support the points/arguments above.

credit to emine for informing me about this video.

updated:

Mathematics Golden number 1,618

credit to Luqman Naim for the video.

There is no coincidence in the world. Everything is created by God and has its own purpose. Its either you believe it or  being ignorant not. Wallahua’lam


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112 Comments

  1. halaa said,

    November 12, 2008 at 7:24 am

    !%$@%#*&^$(&%(^%%$@

    that’s such a brilliant of u to understand such a difficult issue… haih~ i read the whole article like three times and now i think i give up. at least for now.. i’ll reread it next time, hurgh~

  2. nasser said,

    November 12, 2008 at 10:09 am

    subhaanallah!!!…

    no wonder this blog got 10000 hits
    very professional and satisfying…
    congratz paih and other family members!
    awesome job… keep it up :)

    well, as you mention before….
    The facts aren’t that supportive
    but the probability is still there
    if I have time I’ll try to my own research as well

    i like this entry because it just show how little knowledge we have
    and so many things out there that has not been explored
    the more I read the more humble I feel

    you sound like a lawyer in the end huhu…

    p/s: no way I will buy that expensive book heh!

  3. paih said,

    November 13, 2008 at 2:30 am

    to Halaa:
    Maybe the way the text is presented made you getting confused?
    huhuhu

    to Naseer:
    although we feel that we know something, we actually know nothing..
    i’m good at being a worn out lawyer (loyar buruk).. huhuhu

  4. mas almahrouqi said,

    February 10, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    i observed the date and timing of the sun on makkah almukarrama is the time i was born!! and i am amazed about it and made me think!!and question my self. i was born in 15th of july 1976 at 9 :15am

  5. emine said,

    April 26, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    Thank you for the article Makkah is the golden point of the earth too.
    here is a link for the video http://vimeo.com/3206907

    • Osama said,

      September 9, 2014 at 6:40 pm

      You don’t need Vimeo to prove the authenticity of your religious beliefs do you?

  6. Ruben said,

    July 20, 2009 at 10:14 am

    The center of the area of a spherical shape does simply not exist. I understand there are people that would like to see Mecca as the centre of the world, but it’s really a bit silly.

    The Chinese thought the same about China ages before Islam was even created.

    • Munna said,

      June 27, 2013 at 6:51 pm

      That is actually what you believe.And what you think may be correct may be false.If you believe you are a girl that does not mean you are a girl.It,s really a bit silly belief that you have.Have a better luck friend.

      • cm said,

        March 6, 2014 at 4:05 pm

        UJJAIN in ancient days had the time zone for BHARAT.. later britishers changed it whe arrived here.. thats why it is called “MAHA-KAAL” (the great timer) … it still represents worlds centre..

  7. Ruben said,

    July 20, 2009 at 10:24 am

    The “we are the centre of everything” has been a very popular view in general in human history.The Christian church around 1500/1600 thought the earth was the center of the universe, untill Gallilei proved them wrong. At about the same time the Chinese thought their country was the center of the world (sinocentrism) and there are undoubtedly numerous examples of the ‘we are the center of everything’ view.

    It is impossible to back such a view with scientific facts, simply because we live on a sphere. And the center of a sphere is at the inside of the sphere.

    The “zero-magnetism zone” at Mecca is really a bunch of bogus btw. The magnetic field of the earth constantly changes and the directtion of the field changes as well. The field around Mecca actually points to Europe for the most time of the year.

    • ajay said,

      August 8, 2013 at 8:55 am

      Why r u not talking abt hindu script,which says earth is round ,that to 4000 years before galelio said. if u want to confirm go to any hindu temple(6th or 7 th century of vishnu & see to ursef,god vishnu holding earth in his horn .

      • bakri said,

        September 12, 2013 at 6:09 am

        Hi ajay

        This column was never was about Hinduism. You should researched this issue without prejudice.

        We Muslim never hindu as human made religion. In our thought, it could be from one of the prophets, just like Judaism, Christian etc. We human like to meddle and amend things and tend to forget the original. Muhammad as in islam is the last prophet, sent to renew our faith in original god.

        Hope you will understand.

      • cm said,

        March 6, 2014 at 4:11 pm

        right ajay.. UJJAIN has been known as MAHA-KAAL for more than 5000 years… and time all over BHARAT was calculated based on UJJAIN.. as centre since then… still all the scientific evidences support it.. but unfortunately we became victim of western and arabian culture and hence officially it was changed in british era..

  8. Razak said,

    August 20, 2009 at 5:59 am

    “If we observe an atom, electron orbits the nucleus anticlockwise” <- this statement is not entirely true. Whether or not the electron orbits the nucleus in a clockwise or anticlockwise really depends on the location of the viewer. The writer simply assume a specific point of reference in order to support his/her point, which does not make any sense.

  9. prof. dr.rizwan.hanif, ba. hons, p.h.d said,

    November 1, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    salaam there my brother, i am from the unversity of harvard, i specialise in meteorology and physics, i would just like to say that your article is very interesting, i would like to read more, Mashallah keep up the good work!
    -rizwan hanif

    • REAL Islamic Scholar said,

      September 9, 2014 at 6:46 pm

      Isn’t it Harvard university? Instead of University of Harvard?
      And also Harvard university doesn’t have a Ba. Hons. Unless someone opened a
      University of Harvard in Pakistan??? And conferred one more fake degree
      Just a doubt…..

  10. March 26, 2010 at 4:15 am

    There’s only one aspect which can, to a simple layman’s point of view, be made with a certain confidence, and that is Makkah (Mecca)’s general centrality with respect to all the landmasses of the earth as spread over the 3-D globe, including Antarctica and noting that the Americas would be on the globe’s other side from Makkah. In this sense it’s true that people praying (solat) from all “corners” (figuratively :) of the globe would be looking to the centre i.e. Makkah.

    • cm said,

      March 6, 2014 at 4:14 pm

      BHARAT is exact opposite to AMERICA and not MECCA..

  11. muhammad said,

    August 7, 2010 at 12:37 am

    Mecca time zone is perfect to begin time and day .So if I may queries at present GMT the eastern zone is at +1hr and western is -1hr.If I am in Malaysia and refer Mecca time zoneI will be approaximately 18 hrs behind Mecca and today refer to GMT we at eastern of GMT did our Friday prayer is earlier that Mecca or are we did the Friday prayer on Thursday instead.Wallahua’alam.

    • September 9, 2014 at 6:49 pm

      Now all our Muslameen brothers and sisters in the past have prayed at the wrong time, and will go to hell! Haai Allah!

  12. Hoko said,

    August 11, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    “If we observe an atom, electron orbits the nucleus anticlockwise” – not only is this statement “not entirely true” it’s utter nonsense!

    You cannot observe an electron in orbit. It has never been done and never will be done. The concept makes no sense. It has a probability density, which is a fuzzy cloud. It doesn’t whir around like a planet! If it did it would emit Bremsstrahlung radiation and spiral down into the nucleus.

    If you try to “observe” the electron you will knock it out of its “orbit”.

  13. nabeel said,

    September 9, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    Thankyou for the information.So its not yet proved,is it?I am little confused after reading the artcle

  14. Daia lemon said,

    September 26, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    i da bce al-islam bln lpas..n bru tau sal sume ni..
    tok pengetahuan,i nak wat presentation regarding this,,,,bley tak bagi i source nyer…pliz…i reallly need ur help…i want to share wit all my friends..in fact,this presentation will carry a bigger marks for my study….help me ,…k…

  15. December 23, 2010 at 7:55 am

    The claim that Mecca is the “golden ratio of the world” is a load of rubbish. If you enter 1.618 ratio of latitude/longitude you end up in the middle of nowhere.

    The claim that the kaaba is the GR point in Mecca is also rubbish because to make it work you have to
    1: Measure from south to north, unlike the original approach of north-south.
    2: Measure between two arbitrary points which are utterly meaningless, one at the north-west of Mecca and one near the south-west of Mecca, in a line that is neither horizontal, vertical, or diagonal.

  16. Divad said,

    January 23, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    Who cares? Is the Muslim world so devoid of modern accomplishment that this is what they find important? Again, even if true – who really cares? Psuedo-science for pseudo-intellectuals, a perfect match. It’s like boasting you have the least earwax in the world. An interesting yet irrelevant tid-bit that in no way impacts humanity in any meaningful way. I’m sure I could find a way to make Mexico City, Pretoria or Lima the center of the world if I chose to go through these logical calisthenics – and to what end I’m not sure.

    For millennia we thought the earth was the center of all things, then Copernicus proved that wrong. And for hundreds of years we thought the sun was the center of all things, then modern science proved that wrong. And for decades we thought the Milky Way was the extent of the known universe – oops again. Were we diminished in any substantive by these truths? Not at all! If anything, we were taught to have a humble spirit in the face of God’s mighty creation.

    Can we not learn humility, or do we have to support our importance through this type of silly rhetoric?

    • sarah said,

      October 30, 2012 at 8:23 am

      This is the best answer of all! I agree, it does not really matter. If a belief in God or a religion depends on “scientific” proof like that, it is not really a belief.

      • mustafa said,

        February 19, 2013 at 6:26 am

        the belief doesn’t depend on the “scientific” proof. if God or the religion in question is the truth, then science, and other realities of this world and every other world, should acknowledge it.

  17. asif said,

    March 4, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    alhamdulilah

  18. Gerhard said,

    August 31, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    Its great that all of you have commented. And further commenting willlet those interested in learning do a research based on your arguments. Excitingly is that most users have an Arabic surname, interesting.

    I will be the first from the Christian background. And I am one that believes that there is an element of truth in the centrality of some place in the middle East looking at the longitudinal calculations based on increments.

    They converge fait-accompli. Whats astonishing though is that the discussion doesnt mention why is it that only Mecca is mentioned in the direction of the sun twice a year. Why not mention Cape Town or Lilongwe in Malawi?

    Why would people in the shadow of sun (night) be looking in the opposite direction to catch the exact direction on Mecca, in this, the sun? Why not elsewhere like the back of Nutriset in France.

    If the argument was not based on the fact that Mecca is the Muslim Holy Place, but just an ordinary place, the world, especially the west would have accepted the findings. But because of that spiritual aspect behind it, us non-Muslims tend to shy away from finding the fascinations of the earth.

    In other texts I’ve read so far regarding Neil Armstrong, yes there is a video that claims that it was a simulation that was conducted on earth. It was posted on History.com a few years ago. Whats amazing is how can the west keep such a secret for too long.

    And again, why did Armstrong decide to site the Kaaba as the only image he saw on the moon, why did he just chose to say the only sound he heard while on the moon was the Muazin calling Muslims to prayer?
    Im completely confused about this, but soon I will find the truth.

    • Rayan said,

      October 24, 2011 at 8:52 am

      It’s no wonder you are confused… you seem to read a lot of biased and erroneous information and then give it much more credit than its due. The stories about Neil Armstrong hearing the call to prayer in space are completely totally 100% false and you can easily find this story debunked, by Armstrong himself, by doing a google search.

      The reason why many doubt claims with religious and spiritual agendas attached to them is because these claims are almost ALWAYS false. If you dig a little more you will find out the same thing.

  19. October 19, 2011 at 7:34 am

    Alhamthulillah.(its a excellent Page)

    When you see the petals of roses of many colours; when you see the butterfly wings of many kinds; when you see the fishes in the deep ocean of different species; just ask your sincere heart who made it. Did the butterfly dropped it wings when in flight? or the survival of the fishes in deep seas did they got to air to keep them alive; who kept them alive? Surely there must be a supreme force that could do everything without any assistance from others; sole Supreme Force is its ONLY ALLAH SWT, when he say BE IT and IT IS DONE and he guide everything he created for his OWN Pleasure; and very creation; the greens; wildlife; the fishes and the human, all of them must submit to him the way he wanted to be.

    • Mick said,

      December 30, 2012 at 3:18 pm

      My brother, that’s what the world is confusing with. If God is the creator of this universe, on the moral grounds nearly each one of us will be in concurrence. But giving a tag to this concept of any religion divides us all because you were born in a Muslim family and a set of thoughts were imbibed in you which you have acknowledged like any child from any other religion must have faced. Person from any religion would be immature if He/She claims that only their religion is true and rest all are eyewash as it is almost impossible to prove all the texts of their religions true. You people are facing a very stiff question from other rational beings in this blog: “Kaaba/Mecca is the center of the Earth “. It is not something that has come out of the blue but written in islamic texts. And no geologist can prove it. Therefore, my humble request is that we as human beings should not fight for religions, instead should try to unite ourselves by accepting the norms and values of each other and live happily without any latent hard feelings. And try to be rational with any finding we encounter, even if it is against my wish. Correct ourselves and not fight for something unjustified. I understand that it is very difficult for one to leave one’s set of beliefs they have been inculcated over a period of time and that too to an innocent child who doesn’t even know what is right and what is wrong. Whatever is taught to him becomes the invincible truth and keeps him/her fighting for it throughout his/her life. He/She would never dare to question the thoughts of his/her religion on the grounds of rationality but will always antagonize the challenger. We need to come out of this blind world and use our intellect for something fruitful for all of us to live peacefully on this planet.

      regards

  20. RAFAT IQBAL KHAN said,

    October 20, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Dear sir,
    I request you to send me all this information contained in this document on my email address : rafatiqbalkhan78@yahoo.com, so that I can pass to my friends.

  21. Rayan said,

    October 24, 2011 at 8:48 am

    Europeans did not draw maps with Mecca at the center… this is very obvious to see by looking at almost any contemporary map. Do you know the term “GMT?” Do you know what it stands for? (It’s not “general Mecca time”) GMT means “Greenwich Mean Time”.. the center of the world map is by design Greenwich, England, because these maps were drawn by the British who needed to keep control over their global empire. This is why England is on Greenwich Mean Time, and Mecca is at GMT + 3. Mecca is 3 time zones away from the center of the map.

    Of course the same reason that the British wanted England to be the center of the world is why Muslims want Mecca to be the center of the world. A much over-inflated sense of self-importance and self-rigteousness. There is no scientific or rational basis for labeling Greenwich the center of the Earth any more than there is for labeling the kabaa as such.

    • RAFAT IQBAL KHAN said,

      October 28, 2011 at 6:38 am

      Dear Mr. Rayan,
      I appreciate your devoting valuable time for giving important details about time zones and ancient religious histories.
      I just want to say that, by seeing the flat world map, you can see Makkah in nearly center of earth to add to its pilgrimage importance to muslims all over the world.
      Prophet Adam and Abraham all use to come to Makkah to build the sacred Kabah as per Allah`s instructions. This suggests that it is most important place in this world, and centre of worship for the followers of Mohammad Salallaho alaiyehi wasallam, prophet Adam, Abraham, Jesus (Isa alaiyhi assalam), Moses (Musa alaiye assalam) etc.

      • zue said,

        November 7, 2013 at 2:13 am

        I agreed with u Rafat…

      • cm said,

        March 6, 2014 at 4:25 pm

        the world map used these days, is drawn just keeping in mind to keep NORTH and SOUTH AMERICA together… else they should have been surely on two different sides or partially divided… and BHARAT would BE THE CENTRE on flat map.. as AMERICA lies just oppsite to BHARAT.. when we have 12AM they have 12PM..

    • September 10, 2014 at 2:54 am

      You do not believe because you are just a lowly Kafir. A true Muslim needs no logic or scientific explanation to justify anything.
      Everything is written in the Koran paak, and will be proven by western scientists over the next thousand years. Al hamdulla.

  22. Dipa Nugraha said,

    November 16, 2011 at 4:02 am

    to Mr Rayan
    It is better for you to visit this site:

    http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Contrad/External/

    Do hope you will get valuable information.

    • Rayan said,

      November 17, 2011 at 4:08 pm

      I appreciate the link, but what does this site have to do with the discussion at hand? I live in Saudi Arabia. Trust me, I’ve heard tons of similar Islamic apologetics before… but there was nothing on that page (that I saw) that had to do with the kabaa being the center of the Earth. Nor was there anything (that I saw) that dealt with what Rafat was saying.

      Even if there were, if you really wanted to impress me, you would have to cite something from a non-Muslim source, peer reviewed, preferably published in some journal of history, science, or anthropology. You can find similar websites defending Catholicism, Protestantism, Judaism, Hinduism, Mormonism, Scientology, etc.

  23. Sahal said,

    November 20, 2011 at 3:08 am

    Assalaamu Alaikum Dear Br. my best of wishes to you on this sight. Watching the you tube video, the the explanation of bringing the Golden Mean to explain ” Macca The Center of the Earth, i am sure most will not agree as the Golden mean can be in the other part of the wold which can go through the city Riodejiniro ( hope i have used the correct spelling, a city in Europe ) ) so if you divide a/b = 1.618 ( a = distance from East of the world map to Rio city and , B= the distance from Rio to Western part of the world map. Pls clarify. If you get a convincing answer pls mail to my personal d: sahal.alavi@gmail.com

    • Rayan said,

      November 30, 2011 at 4:08 pm

      I am sure you could manipulate numbers in this way to “prove” that ANY place in the world is the “center of the Earth.” It’s really rather meaningless…

    • fafa said,

      January 11, 2012 at 5:17 pm

      Rio de Janeiro is the capital of Brasil, Latin America, not some town in Europe, get your fact right mister.

  24. Muhammed. H said,

    January 12, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    Dear Rayan,

    I was born and raised in a Muslim country and as a Muslim person. I never really been a devoted Muslim or anything but that is my background. I would like to say that I do agree with you and some other people here with similar opinions 100%. Psuedo-science is what we are dealing with here… For centuries, almost every group, race, nation or faith had claimed that are The Ones. The obove all, the Right Ones. And they all had managed to to come up with “scientific” theories to support their culturo-religous ego ! Mecca being the “center of the World or map is nothing more findings based on the prespective of viewing. There is NO surface center to the sphere we call Earth. The center of maps we drew is also matter of where we are positioned from the map. I can place a flat map of the world with the western hemisphere in the rough center and bam! Chiwawa Mexico is the center of all exsistance! Whats really sad about these findings is that most nations, groups had pretty much learned to think twice before they made such outrageous claims and quitted the habit of being completely ignorant ages ago except for us Muslims who are still too stubborn, too arrogant and nerrow minded to think outside the box. It’s really embarrising actually. We live in the 21st century and yet we still feverishly try to prove the “others are wrong” to feel better about ourselves. Really a childish behavior.

    I know I wont be hearing the end of this now especially when I still considered to be a Muslim but I could care less actually. I have tried to educate and enlighten the people I know without much success. I am affraid that this generation, and perhaps many to come are doomed to live in the dark. This is because one generation is passing that ill fated school of logic to the other. Eat your vegtebles and go to bed and never question anything or anyone. Which would be fine if you didn’t care about your life, your future and your role in this life. The other major sad thing here is how those people somehow missuse the greatest gift ever been giving : the power to think, the power of curiocity, the logic, and somehow trying to use these ever powerful tools to prove something so irrelivent, so superficial and illogical. And then call their findings” Science”.

    People need to ask themselves this question: If WE were the Right Ones, what about the others? why we ALL think we are the right ones?

    All religions have a good massege on some level or another and ALL of them have some gliches and issues the members of these religions are struggling with trying to make sense of. Oh well, this is not the first story we hearing and certainly wont be the last am affraid.

    May peace be with you all.

    • Rayan said,

      April 30, 2013 at 6:20 am

      You seem like a nice guy Muhammad. I disagree with you on many points but perhaps it’s not worth getting in to, especially not in this venue. Best wishes.

    • Darel Recede said,

      March 6, 2014 at 5:01 am

      Muhammad H….your a very intelligent minded person,I think like you,Im a christian by the way and I respect your thinking,keep it up brother

  25. Muhammed. H said,

    January 13, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Rayan,

    I have never studied theology academically but I have always been fascinated with the concept of religion and faith and their effects on mankind. I have to agree that my ideologies will not make me very popular here but I simply had enough and had to vent out some steam! Usually, I wouldn’t bother getting involved in discussions like these, heck, normally I wouldn’t bother to type a few sentences to renew a subscription or even redeem a rebate! But this time, I just had to jump in. :)

    Like you have said, most religions and especially those three Abrahamic ones are designed using the same toolkit. A divine figure(s) that is above all, know all and control everything. The way I look at thing here is the following: ALL these religions were established thousands of years ago. And as Lewis Black (comic artist) puts it (Which is the best way I can think of to describe it!) “That religion came thousands and thousands of years ago, people were simply out of control then! People used to dwell in the desert for weeks looking for $#!* !! We were 10 hairs away from being baboons for God’s sake!! “

    The point is. We NEEDED religion, a fantastic, super powerful authority that regulate and control EVERYTHING in that chaotic, uncivil sociality. And it worked really well. Then, throughout time, we as a whole became more and more regulated, civil and also more powerful and effective and whatever we do. Eventually, religion started interfering with other aspects of life. Religion became more and more outdated and civil codes, laws and regulations became more and more relevant. Some religions tried to adapt, some just started to compromise. Others stood still and even some revolted and fought back.

    It’s really a tough call to make. Should I abandon the whole faith thing or stick with it and wait for the world to change? In my humble case, I found a common ground that gave me some peace in mind and it’s what I think I currently believe in. I decided to use my brain, and the common sense I had to analyze the messages in religion and simply adhere to the good, still applicable values that ALL religions are simply rich with, and focus a little less on the mechanisms, codes, titles and grey guidelines. Love your neighbor, Do good, act the way you feel at heart and don’t be a phony. FORGIVE, tune down, live and let live. And finally, be a little more tolerant. God didn’t make all those “wrong and lost people” to be game animals for me to kill. Maybe we are all right and wrong at the same time?

    I have faith in God, simply because I think it’s actually a very logical idea to have faith. I have always been fascinated with science and philosophy and I think I know a few things about them and yet, I can still see and sense the effects of a brilliantly massive intelligence all around me. I also thing even if I was wrong in my faith analogy I still stand on the side I think I should be standing at, the positive, productive, good side of life.

    Life is too short, you have only enough time to be ONE thing, choose wisely. You might be wrong, but hey? Isn’t faith the ultimate gamble? ;)

    • Rayan said,

      April 30, 2013 at 6:19 am

      I’m not a gambler.

  26. Freelancer said,

    February 13, 2012 at 7:53 am

    And all religions are meant for the people they are developed for. I mean Prophet Muhammad was a messenger, but he felt short of words to describe God in words. Can anyone explain “What is sweet taste?” in words. No. But he had to say something. For he wanted to help the people around him. Then he had to commit himself to the impossible job of explaining something that can be experienced by some sixth sense in words… it is impossible. This is the problem of all religions that the originator knows God, but the followers just know the word “God”. All the trouble starts here. Where God is one, there can be innumerous terminologies for the word “God”. And we people don’t know God. We simply know the word and fight uselessly for the words.
    One more thing that we fools can stick with. Methods.
    We have to understand that there is no method for doing a particular thing that is general around the world. The people that eat liquid food use spoons for eating. But the same can’t be commanded over the Chinese people that use Noodles as their staple food. They have to use fork, or the chopsticks that they use.
    Particular days of the week for worship / prayer is also just to make us disciplined. The person (Prophet Muhammad) who won’t connect his son’s death with Eclipse (to create some supernatural scene) won’t discriminate between the days. And moreover, weeks themselves are created by man himself. Prophet just wanted to us to visit to prayer once a week, and preferably on one particular day so that there is a discipline maintained.
    I have a lot more to say, but I know – whatever I say will be words and can’t explain anything that is religion.

    Just remember what I said at the last, “JESUS, BUDDHA, MUHAMMAD, KRISHNA all knew God (the same God), but noone could explain it to us, because God can not be explained in words.” All they could explain us were the ways that they thought would be the best for the kind of people around them to know God.
    One can go to a place by one road only, though there can be hundreds of roads for the destination, and all can be equally correct in general. No one can go from all the ways at the same time. But the road that will be more suitable for a cyclist may not be suitable for a biker or a person driving a car. Same is the case with paths to God. What is most suitable for you may not be suitable for me. The prophets (all of them) said that only their followers will be get Jannat / God / Salvation – only because they knew that there can not be two roads that can be walked on at the same time, and people are too lazy to walk on the difficult and boredom-filled way of religion.
    There are many more things that Mohammed said just to trick you to reach God – just as we give a toffee to a kid if we want him to follow what is good for him. We are just kids (fighing and quarreling) for Prophets, understand that.

    Sorry if I offend someone. I don’t really mean to. What I say is not the truth. It is just what I feel, which can be as wrong as what anyone else among the 7 billion feel.

    Thanks a lot if you kept patience to read.

  27. kabir said,

    February 18, 2012 at 6:34 am

    that is real muslems let says subhanallahie wabihamdihie subhanallahiel azeam!

  28. Vixi said,

    February 28, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Only person who can tell us the centre of the earth in anyway is a none religious, none biased, not on the pay roll of Zionist or Muslims, believes in his work

  29. MOHAMED said,

    March 26, 2012 at 10:03 am

    Dear Brothers, Dear Sisters,
    Makkah has a new time!
    We have the immense pleasure of introducing to you, before its release, a new symbol of the Muslim identity: the Sa’at Makkah watch.
    http://www.sa-at-makkah.com
    A reversing clock movement, especially dedicated to Muslims
    The “revolution” movement of the Sa’at Makkah watches, gives the carrier a whole new perspective: the needles do not turn from left to right any more, but from right to left!
    Like the pilgrims around the Kaaba
    Like the direction taken by the read and written Arabic alphabet
    It is a revolution in the clock world; it is also a revolution for any Muslim who wears a Sa’at Makkah watch.
    This new reading direction is as natural as the conventional way. Your eye gets accustomed to it in a few hours or a few minutes if you read the Arabic alphabet, from right to left.
    Read the time
    Þ In the direction of the prayer around Makkah
    Þ In the direction that the Earth rotates
    Þ In the direction of the blood circulating in your heart
    Þ In the direction of the reading of the Koran

    We hope you will be the next ambassadors of our watches and wish you a pleasant visit on http://www.sa-at-makkah.com

    See you very soon,

    • RAFAT IQBAL KHAN said,

      April 2, 2012 at 11:02 am

      Mashallah, the teachings of Islam cannot be challenged by any human or any science in this world. Allah O Akbar

      • Rayan said,

        April 2, 2012 at 11:32 am

        Except in the cases where they *are* challenged, and in those instances unfortunately the teachings of Islam do not fare well against science, except among people who ignore basic facts like the fact that the surface of a sphere has no center.

    • Rayan said,

      April 2, 2012 at 11:30 am

      Claiming that the earth rotates clockwise or counterclockwise makes as much sense as claiming that Mecca is the center of the Earth. The Earth is a sphere. It rotates on its axis. In order to view the rotation of the Earth as a circular motion, you would have to look at it axis-on. If you look at it from the “north” pole, it rotates counterclockwise. If you look at it from the “south” pole, it rotates clockwise. What rubbish…

      • RAFAT IQBAL KHAN said,

        April 2, 2012 at 2:01 pm

        Then y u people say that earth rotates in counter clockwise direction.

      • Rayan said,

        April 2, 2012 at 2:48 pm

        Who said that? I certainly didn’t. What do you mean by “you people?” or “u people?” I don’t think any intelligent person that knows what they’re talking about would ever say this.

      • RAFAT IQBAL KHAN said,

        April 2, 2012 at 2:55 pm

        search on google it says clearly that earth revolves in anticlockwise direction. Even if you start google earth software the earth rotates in counterclockwise direction. That is the reason why first rays of sun fall on Japan which is in far east as per the world clock.

      • Rayan said,

        April 2, 2012 at 3:09 pm

        I apologize, but I think you may be a little too stupid for me to have a conversation with. The Earth rotates toward the East. If viewed from the South Pole, it rotates clockwise.

      • ABDULLAH said,

        August 28, 2012 at 12:59 am

        Rayan Bhai Exact Shape Of Earth Is Orbital Or Oval. Its Not Spherical
        Even If Any One Agree Dat Shere Dosent Have a Center But Oval Shape Does Had a Center Point

    • dinesh shetty kadri said,

      June 2, 2014 at 6:41 pm

      positive is always right the name mentioned anti its fail

    • Wafaa said,

      September 9, 2014 at 6:29 pm

      Are the watches made in china? And will wearing this watch guarantee a place in paradise? Please reply….

  30. RAFAT IQBAL KHAN said,

    April 2, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    we never claimed it you people yourselves proved it and now you are angry with us. If we say the same thing

    • September 9, 2014 at 6:36 pm

      Dear Rafaat Khan, the Koran is the source of all knowledge in the universe, okay in the billions of universes.
      So please don’t quote Google. And nobody can be angry with the true followers of Ali.

  31. RAFAT IQBAL KHAN said,

    April 2, 2012 at 2:05 pm

    Jesus (Eysa Alaiyhi Al salam) never thought you to be ignorant and blindly fight with the followers of the real god (Allah) in your arrogance of being superpowers of the world, and not listening to the financially and militarily weak muslims of the world.

    • RAFAT IQBAL KHAN said,

      April 2, 2012 at 3:02 pm

      Mr. Ryan do you know the meaning of muslim. It means a person who has been made pure from any impurity. At the beginning of the world Adam was an innocent human made by God (Allah) and so he was a muslim as per arabic word muslim. And in the time of Jesus (Eysa alaihi al salam) also the people who were right were muslims.

      • RAFAT IQBAL KHAN said,

        April 3, 2012 at 5:19 am

        The difference in U christians and muslims is that we respect Eysa Alaihi Al Salam (whom u call Jesus), Mousa, Ibrahim (Abraham) Yaqoob (Jacob) and all the messengers of Allah, who came to the earth at different times and tought the people about the almighty Allah, alongwith the last messenger of Allah Nabi Mohammad Sallallaho aliyhe wasallam.
        But, you people dont respect our last Prophet Mohammad sal allah o alaihi wasallam, calling him a man. We believe on the sayings of Quran which clearly states that Eysa, Mousa, Ibrahim and Adam and Nooh all were muslims. But the so called christians and jews never followed them. That was the reason the last prophet Mohammad had to come to earth.
        I request you that I did not ask you to argue with me. I just told what I believe is truth. I dont want to compell it on you. Because it is upto you if you want to follow the path of heaven or hell.
        So, if you dont agree with my opinion, you definitely dont accept it, and continue on your path, because after death you will realise your mistake.

      • RAFAT IQBAL KHAN said,

        April 3, 2012 at 7:37 am

        Mr. Rayan, I and each and every muslim in this world respect all the messengers of Allah may it be Joseph Smith or Krishna or Buddha. Because they all gave the teachings of one god which we call Allah.
        So, please stop blaming us look into your heart if you are respecting muslims or not.

      • RAFAT IQBAL KHAN said,

        April 4, 2012 at 2:57 am

        Can you tell me whom you call Jacob Smith. I think he is Yaqoob alaihi al salam the father of Yusuf alaihi al salam. Am I right

  32. paih said,

    April 4, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Sorry guys, this blog is not a place to spread hatred to Islam. You might want to find other place to share your negative thought. Therefore I need to delete some of the comments.. peace..

    • RAFAT IQBAL KHAN said,

      April 5, 2012 at 10:47 am

      Muslims dont harm women and innocent children of other religions in war like you people are doing against us all over the world. And Joseph Smith is not a prophet.

  33. CREATURE OF THE CREATOR said,

    May 15, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    guys just love one another thats all everyone will be paid for his or her acts on earth behave well do good things for people.u will be rewarde positively by the creator.GOD LOVES U ALL BE IT A MOSLEM, CATHOLIC,PROTESTANTS, BUDHIST.ITS THE REASON WHY U R STILL ALIVE IN ORDER TO SERVE THE CREATOR IN A GOOD WAY.

  34. jaleel said,

    June 8, 2012 at 2:50 am

    plz email this full article with comments to me. i need to share my friends keloth.jaleel@gmail.com

    • paih said,

      June 12, 2012 at 9:33 am

      You might just want to take the url link of the post. and share it as the internet is available almost everywhere around the globe.

  35. Nevin said,

    June 20, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    I am not Muslim, – i am a Christian. I will however say that what was an interesting article as become an attack on a
    peace loving religon that have fantacial supporters that twist Gods word. Christianity have them and so does Islam, Tamils, Hindus etc etc.I have always wanted to understand a religon before i comment on it, and from my hubmle oppinon i will say that God ( is one) whatever you choose eto call him – is your oppinon. I am from South Africa a non muslim country however due to the hatred from the past i have embraced others and greet my Muslim colleague in arabic and so too do i respect my hindi, and jewish friends.
    Some comments on this article make me understand why there is so much of war and hate in the world.

    Peace to you and yourr

  36. bayazdeen said,

    July 24, 2012 at 5:54 pm

    Allah is great

  37. kulsum said,

    August 3, 2012 at 5:51 am

    Subhan Allah …………….i need this thruth must know every person that ISLAM is the best .Allah Is Great …………..Allahu Akbar……….

  38. August 12, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    very nice journey and survey

  39. Syed Fazlur Rahman said,

    September 13, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    La i La ha illalah Muhammad’ur Rasoolillah! Allah is great! None deserves to be worshipped other than Allah and Muhammad(pbuh) is His prophet. God; there is none unto Him!

    • Darel Recede said,

      March 6, 2014 at 5:11 am

      Syed,none is to be worshipped other than Allah and muhammad,so you worshipped Muhammad,learn your faith before you open your mouth,no prophet has ever said to worshipped them,only worship God,our father for all mankind regardless of religion,race,culture,we are all one,to love one another.Peace,Jesus is the most influential of all prophets and brang something the world needed,peace and love for all,in saying that,all prophets are equal in Gods eyes and also our ways of thinking and thought.

  40. Febin rahaman said,

    September 21, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    Mr.rayyan we are the followers of the truth and we had proofs for saying tat we r on right side just think of ur bible how much time u had rewritten it in the name tat we r doing right.tats y the bible had lost its actual pride.but still quran is quran no one can bring a book like tat.if u feel tat u can then just try atleast try to bring one chapter like tat in quran.then tat clockwise and anticlockwise people will always watch earth from north because the major population is in north only.then if u watch through the telescope u can see other planets rotating in anticlockwise not in clockwise

    • Rayan said,

      September 22, 2012 at 10:47 am

      My Bible? I didn’t write the Bible. Don’t pin that on me.

      You say you have proofs. What proof? I’m all in favor of proof and evidence. If you can prove with evidence that Mecca is the center of the world, then go for it. So far, nobody has done that. Until you can prove it, then claiming it just makes you look ridiculous. Whether you are a Muslim or not.

  41. RAFAT IQBAL KHAN said,

    September 22, 2012 at 7:17 am

    Very well said brother, But you know that Allah has put a veil covering on the eyes ears and hearts of the non beleivers, so that they cannot see the correct things, cannot hear correct things, and cannot accept the righteous things by their hearts. in the verse ” summum bukmum fhum la yooqenoon.

    • Rayan said,

      September 22, 2012 at 10:47 am

      If Allah wants people to worship him then why would he put a veil on the eyes of the non believers? Something to think about.

      • September 9, 2014 at 6:25 pm

        He wants to protect the holy ummah from those kafir khalp.(mangy dogs) Allah is also selective of who follows him and who doesn’t. Only the believers born after the prophet Mohammed have a place in jannat. All the rest go to hell!

  42. RAFAT IQBAL KHAN said,

    September 23, 2012 at 3:34 am

    He definitely gives chance till the last breath of life, but it is upto the individual to accept him as his god, otherwise he cannot remove the veil on him which is put because of continuous denial of Allahs existence and non islamic activities.

  43. RAFAT IQBAL KHAN said,

    September 23, 2012 at 11:46 am

    I am not threatening anybody of hell fire, but trying to help out people from escaping from it. But, if you dont agree, than go ahead with your way, and I go my way, we shall meet on the day of resurrection and see the result Mr. Rayan, that who was right and who was wrong.

    • Rayan said,

      September 23, 2012 at 12:02 pm

      Unfortunately for all of the rational and civilized people of the world, “people like you” will never see that they are wrong.

  44. isah said,

    November 18, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    i believed that is only Allaah SWT guide those he want so dont blame anyone that is in the darkness everyone knows the truth but they ignored it so lets wait and see. may almighty Allaah guide us till the end.

  45. AL said,

    November 29, 2012 at 9:12 am

    Allahu ekber

  46. firdous said,

    January 22, 2013 at 5:33 am

    allahu akbar…

  47. Salmàn said,

    January 25, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    @rafat iqbal,, u are completely wrong in what u say please learn how to interpret Quran in the right way or rather consult an Islamic scholar… And please also learn about other religions cuz the info u represented is wrong..
    Please don’t fight, spread peace and love

  48. Salmàn said,

    January 25, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    @rafat the following quotation
    summum bukmum fhum la yooqenoon.
    Is wrong
    @rayan,
    “sumun bukmun umyun fahum la yarjun” this is the original verse and it’s meaning usually refers to the disbelievers which doesn’t neccessarily refer to Abrahamic religions’ followers and the truth seekers but to the ones who did not believe what God conveyed from from the start of the disbelieving generations, i.e. God is one and only one, He’s nor the son of anyone neither father of anyone, and there is no-one like Him,,,
    Let me also tell you a story of my Mother’s story—
    whenever she was approached by an angry, uncontrollably barking dogs, she would use to recite this verse(i.e. “Sumun bukmun umyun fahum la yarjun”) and blowed air from her mouth over the dogs so they would stop silently where they were and watched her or some of them even turn away and go on their own
    so it can be used ar a protection too!
    So Rayan, i appreciate ur thoughts and would like u to ask Islamic scholars(ask new converted scholars, that’d be better) or people like me out about ur questions of Islam or u urself read Quran in ur language,,,
    *be optimist and spread peace(this message is for everyone)*

    • September 9, 2014 at 6:13 pm

      Why were the dogs barking at your beloved mother? Did she look like a suspicious figure? Did your mother just eat garlic when the dogs barked at her? This could explain the dogs stunned silence.
      Just asking….
      Yeah and spread peace not caliphates.

  49. March 8, 2013 at 12:26 am

    Idea about the center of the whole world. If we have to consider and for we in order to know the actual center of the world is, first of all we have to look up to the sun, as we all know that sun reses from the east and fall down to the west. When the sun shine if you look up, consider were the direction is from were you are standing that is the direction of the sun then you’ll now check from the world map and see which continent face the direction of sun. I Think these is the idea way of understanding the center of the whole world.

  50. March 14, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    If somebody knows any city or place supposed to be the center of the Earth, he, please, can tell, otherwise, he should not make doubts on what is calculated and proofed by modern measurments.

  51. Daud said,

    August 8, 2013 at 8:35 am

    Is mecca the center of the wold

  52. ajay said,

    August 8, 2013 at 9:10 am

    in pre historic times Indians only had the knowledge of science & mathematics,even the greeks were highly influenced by the indians.Is this someting there to do with mecca

    • September 9, 2014 at 6:05 pm

      This is about Islam and the topic is for believers only. So please don’t bring up Indian (kafir) Mathematic and Scientific knowledge.

  53. Abubakar siddiq said,

    August 28, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    Alhamthu lillah

  54. September 13, 2013 at 3:44 pm

    A very interesting topic…..I went through all the good and not so good debate over what’s right and whats not.

    I’m surprised to see some very intelligent people here, thanks for all the knowledge shared here. Let me tell you that I’m a Hindu from India, was a non-believer of religion, special my own(sanatan or hindu dharma) because of the obvious reasons. But by the time I got to know about the science we the hindus had been using from the start, I thought of studying about the truth and reality of all the religions but it is next to impossible to be done in one life………so……

    I cannot comment on whatever is said here but is a great addition of knowledge to an empty mind like mine. One thing that I can say is that if something is true then one has not to claim it….it will rise out of nowhere automatically…nobody needs to fight for it.

    I wonder no one has mentioned about Sanatan (Hinduism :modern) except Ajay, that seems to be a bad as well as gud news to me. As the religion I believe in, don’t teach me to yell anything and everything on others, but to respect every thing, every religion and every statement made here(stupid or intelligent).

    I will not mention anything from hinduism as I’m studying(learning) it (might take whole life to study it completely :( )………..And it doesn’t make any sense in sharing half knowledge.

    Thanks to Rayan and others(muslim and notn-muslim) for this interesting topic(will be looking forward for more intelligent debates with proofs that can be verified, here in comments)

  55. Shaheer said,

    December 20, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Alhamdu liLLAH ….SubhaanALLAH…!!!

  56. February 7, 2014 at 5:39 am

    Good information

  57. Mohammad said,

    February 16, 2014 at 5:49 am

    Salam aleckium brothers
    I wish to give us more scientific proofs ,,,

  58. March 1, 2014 at 12:28 pm

    subhan allah

  59. md.sameer multani said,

    March 29, 2014 at 5:25 pm

    bilkul haq tha he &rahega

  60. dinesh shetty kadri said,

    June 2, 2014 at 6:49 pm

    enter the center it will be center of earth

  61. mangeshg1 said,

    August 21, 2014 at 4:31 pm

    Reblogged this on mangeshg1's Blog.

  62. Musthafa said,

    September 1, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    Subhanallah…….

  63. Ahmed al marzouqi said,

    September 9, 2014 at 5:50 pm

    Bismillah i’r rehmaaaan ir Raheem.
    Neil Armstrong’ s grandson told me that his granpa mentioned they had a mosque in their neighborhood that disturbed his sleep, which continued to ring in his hears even when on the moon. When he said this some people thought he meant he actually heard those sounds. Anyway this never really bothered him, what really bothered him was that some murmurs were rising that he never really landed on the moon.
    A lot of my fellow Muslimeen also believe that America never really made a moon landing, but we love to believe that the Adaan was really heard on the moon.
    The Hindu scriptures that are 5000 years old believe that Benares is the Center of the earth.
    The Chinese believe that zhunguo is the center of the earth.
    The pharaon (bunch of Kafirs in this context) believe the great pyramid was the earths center.
    The magnetic poles of the earth keep shifting so the magnetic center of the earth also keeps shifting.
    Recently some supercomputers in the USA calculated the earths center to be somewhere in Turkey, but there’s no telling as the computer was made with Chinese parts and ran software written by a bunch of sweaty Indians, working for an American businessman, funded by an Arabic Sovereign wealth fund.
    Finally we don’t know whom to believe, so I will believe my Muttawwa who says that if I don’t believe Mecca to be the earths center, I may land up in hell.


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